Character of Modern Day Prophecy
By Apologetic Index
the way of Cain page 46
edited ministry of Hope
10 june 2005
Character of the New Prophecy
Following is a very typical example of the new
prophecies that are coming out of the new movement. Take note of the
"Change...change...change! Your ways are old ways, your thoughts
are old thoughts, your prayers are old prayers, your cries are old
cries, your worship is old worship, your way of doing church is an
old way of doing
church. ...Let Me change you
church. ...Let Me change you...let Me change you inside and out.
Let go of yourself! Let me have you! I don't want a little bit at a
time, I want all of you, NOW! Desire change! Desire it because it is
what I am doing in you! Hunger and thirst for my changing in you.
You must change! I cannot equip you unless you change."
(Barry C. Linville, the 'New Wine 'Vineyard Bulletin Board)
Now, take a moment to read from God's word, the Bible, and as you
do, compare the whole attitude, manner, and message. Is this really
the same voice as that of the new prophecy?
The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want. He makes me lie
down in green pastures; He leads me beside quiet waters. He
restores my soul. Ps 23:1-3
...with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a
thousand years as one day. The Lord ...is patient... 2Pet
Do not associate with those who are given to change... Pr
For I, the LORD, do not change... Mal 3:6
...the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation, or
shifting shadow. Jms 1:17
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes and
forever... Heb 13:8-9
Forever, O LORD, Thy word is settled in heaven. Ps 119:89
The counsel of the LORD stands forever, the plans of His
heart from generation to generation... Ps 33:11
The word of the Lord abides forever. And this is the word
which was preached to you. 1Pet 1:24-25
As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the
beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you,
you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 1Jn 2:24
I hope you can see the inconsistency between these two voices;
the attitude, the manner, and the message are completely at odds
APPENDIX A: Regarding the ''prophecies''
Perhaps you have already read some of the new prophecies without
even realizing it, like in Rick Joyner's popular book, ''The
Final Quest.'' If so, I would encourage you to take a second,
hard look at them.
The prophecies written by these new prophets are unlike the
Bible. They are titillating- extremely persuasive, sensual, and
seductive in nature,
Bringing to mind 1Tim 4:1 ''in the latter times some shall depart
from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits.'' There are
important clues that point to a different author than the God of the
The prophecies, unlike God's word, are filled with contradictions.
The personal thoughts of each of the 'prophets' are easy to discern
and each of them are developing their own followings, as people pick
and choose which prophets they prefer - this is completely
The prophecies do, however, contain consistencies and a unified
overall message which I'd like to point out.
The prophecies are secretive and vague, in contrast to the
Bible's openness and forthrightness. The speaker hints at his plans
in figurative language but does not openly disclose them. When one
examines them carefully, these hints are often worded in such a way
that they could actually mean the very opposite of what you would
For example, let's look at a prophecy given by
Cindy Jacobs to Europe, called ''One More Chance'':
And the Lord would say I'm renewing ancient covenants. I'm
calling together ancient kingdoms. I'm the ancient of days. I'm
doing a new thing in Europe... I'm calling back to ancient times
when I stirred my people to take Jerusalem I'm calling out my
warriors and my war horses forth.
Think carefully about this
What were the 'ancient covenants' of Europe? Did you assume
Christianity? Why? Europe was the ancient seedbed of pagan religions
like Wicca, druidism, and the ancient Celtic
myths, which are making a strong comeback.
Who was ''stirred to take Jerusalem''? This could speak of the
Roman destruction in A.D. 70, or the Roman Catholic crusades.
As we have seen, Roman Catholicism is making a strong bid to
become the global 'church' once again.
Do you say, 'but he says he's the Lord, the ancient of days!'
Don't you know ''the devil... is a liar, and the father of lies'' (Jn
8:44) ? Furthermore, he can legitimately call himself the ''God'' or
lord - of this world (2Cor 4:4, 1Jn 5:19). Gnostic symbolism.
The prophecies contain the marks of gnosticism- a secretive,
highly symbolic mysticism where one works to 'attain to' a 'higher
wisdom.' Gnostic symbols well-known since ancient times are used,
such as Rick Joyner's allegorical ''mountain'' which he had to climb
to attain to 'higher spiritual levels' of the 'revelation of God.'
The Holy Spirit constantly speaks on His own initiative,
portraying Himself as wine, and saying He longs to make us ''drunk''
Statements that sound like Bible verses are made but when you
look them up, you find they've been cleverly misquoted or
misapplied. God does not misuse His own word.
Satan, however, has been known to misuse God's word to tempt (Mt
In a prophecy titled ''Behold I am Doing a New Thing,'' Marc
Dupont has God saying,
''Go I say, go! Go to the upper rooms and the roof tops. Go to
the high places with a view. Go and seek me.''
God has no need for his people to go up to high places to seek
Him! Jesus made it clear that a person's physical location has
nothing to do with his worship of God; ''the true worshipers shall
worship the Father in spirit and truth,'' (Jn 4:21-23)
In the Bible, the 'high places' were places of demon worship (Num
33:52; Num 22:41; 1 Kings 14:23-24; 1KI 13:33-34; Jer 32:35; Ps
Jesus was taken by the devil to the pinnacle of the temple and to
a very high mountain, to be tempted (Mt 4:1,8).
In Carol Arnott's 'Sword' prophecy,
'God' says he needs to ''chasten, but not with anger... I am a God
full of mercy but I am serious as the time is short.''
Time is never short with God, He is in absolute, sovereign
control of the timing of all things! And, He is patient beyond our
understanding; ''with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a
thousand years as one day,'' (2Pet 3:8). Time simply is not an issue
But, time is short for someone else: ''Woe to the earth and the
sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath,
knowing that he has only a short time.'' (Rev 12:12).
In Marc Dupont's ''New Thing'' prophecy,
''Do not doubt My love for you. Neither doubt My love for the
lost and the hurting. And neither doubt that I am who I say I am.''
The believer is warned not to question or doubt it is really God
speaking, whereas the Bible commands us to ''test the spirits,'' 1Jn
4:1. This demand should actually fill us with doubt!
The believer's relationship to Jesus is symbolized in these
prophecies as a sexual relationship, to the point where it is just
lewd. Jesus wants to ''have a love affair'' with you. He is a
seducer instead of Lord and God. The Jesus of the scriptures does
not seduce. We do, however, read of seduction in connection with
demons and also false prophets (1Tim 4:1, KJV; Dt 13:5).
Carol Arnott (Airport Church Toronto)
claims God Himself was speaking through her when she said,
''The ways you have been using My weapons, the methods that you
have been using in the past, you are to throw them away because I am
giving you My sword now [sic.] and the old ways of doing things will
not do. The old methods will not be acceptable to Me anymore because
I am doing a new thing.''
The old weapons God gave us are ''the full armor of God, that we
may be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything,
to stand firm'' (Eph 6:13-18). But now, we no longer need to ''gird
our loins with truth,'' put on the ''breastplate of righteousness,''
or ''shod our feet with the preparation of the gospel'' because God
is ''doing a New Thing''? ''The shield of faith'' and ''the helmet
of salvation'' ''will no longer do''?
We are to throw away the ''old'' sword - ''the sword of the
Spirit, which is the word of God''?
We come again to the crux of the matter! Don't doubt it- this is
what it's all about. The spirit of this movement desperately wants
to separate us from the word of God!
No, we will not throw away what God has told us to hold fast,
even if ''an angel from heaven should preach'' that we should (Gal
These prophecies have the kind of urgency a salesman uses to
hurry someone into a bad deal before they can think it over- ''Do
not doubt... allow me to impart my essence in you, NOW!'' demands
the spirit of ''Impartation.''
Fear, guilt, and flattery (Ro 16:18, 1Th
2:5, Jude 16) are used to pressure, coerce, and manipulate.
The grace and loving patience of God that the Bible communicates
The church and the people of God are described again and again as
''filthy'' when God's word declares us as cleansed in Christ (Eph
Sensual hints of promises are implied as rewards for obeying
demands that go against God's instructions to us in His written
Rewards alluringly offered to those who will obey the prophecy
usually do not even have any definite meaning, like, ''you will know
me in a way you have never known before.'' If that doesn't happen,
who are you going to sue and what charges would you be able to
bring? Can't you hear a certain someone laughing in derision at your
easily bought compliance on that day?
Often times things are promised as rewards that the Bible says we
already possess as believers, like, ''I will clothe you in pure
garments.'' Gal 3:27 says, ''For all of you who were baptized
into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.'' This is kind of
like someone stealing your wallet then offering your own money back
to you to do their dirty work.
Other times they tempt us to be unfaithful to our God, like, ''Be
hungry for Me and the food I have prepared for you.'' In Jn 6:35,
''Jesus said to them, 'I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me
shall not hunger.'''
And, finally, they feed sinful desires to have secret knowledge
and significance above others, like, those who ''follow Me into the
deeper things... shall see My glory visited upon them.'' Gal 6:3
warns us, ''if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he
Scriptures about the wicked are applied to the
church and believers, in an accusatory way, to coerce the reader
Take, for example, these words in a prophecy called ''Repent!''
by Doug Fortune:
''O, that you would acknowledge your fallen condition before
Me... O, that you would cry out for My mercy! For I desire to pour
out My mercy upon you, but to a people that are unrepentant and
satisfied in their religion I will not bring mercy, but judgment.
Repent, My people, and turn.''
The god of this prophecy clearly talks to ''My people'' yet they
are presented as in a fallen condition, unworthy of His mercy, and
in danger of judgment. Jesus said, ''Truly, truly, I say to you, he
who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life,
and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death
into life.'' Jn 5:24.
''There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are
in Christ Jesus,'' Ro 8:1.
The God of the Bible sees us completely in Christ. A believer may
backslide, but it is not possible for him to return to a ''fallen
God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He
loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us
alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and
raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly
places, in Christ Jesus... Eph 2:4-6
...in Him you have been made complete. Col 2:10
And, what must they 'repent' of? Being 'satisfied in their
religion? What is this vague accusation supposed to mean? Being
satisfied with the word of God, perhaps?
The one who accuses us of being unclean and unacceptable is a
thief who is trying to rob us of what Christ has already given to
us, and ''the thief comes only to steal, and kill, and destroy''
This is not our God but the accuser (Rev 12:10). Do not trust
him. He has an agenda, and though he is skillfull and persuasive,
this agenda is not for our or the church's good.
Compare to the voice of the Scriptures.
Notice the general tone of the scriptures, the loving-kindness,
forgiveness and gentleness of our God, and notice that He always
speaks of our cleansing and fullness in Christ in past tense- it has
happened. It is a present reality.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has
blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in
Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the
world... to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely
bestowed on us in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His
blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of
His grace, which He lavished upon us. Eph 1:3-8
This brings us to a highly important difference between these
prophecies and the scriptures:
- The god of these prophecies has a plan but he cannot
accomplish it without our efforts.
- He is not all-powerful. He is not in control. He is working
hard with promises and threats because he has to convince us to
do what he wants done; he cannot do it himself.
- This can flatter a believer into a false sense of
importance; ''God needs me!'' but the God of the Bible is
not like this.
Many of todays TV teachers have made us to believe, "I hear them
say, God cannot do anything unless men will allow it, God doesn't
anything, unless it is done through men.
He has to do it through men because Jesus gave all authority to
men and if He wants to do anything He will have to find someone he
can work through.
Sounds familiar ?
God of the Bible is not like this.
He is absolutely sovereign and omnipotent:
Our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases. Ps
...neither is He served by human hands, as though He needed
anything... Acts 17:25
For the LORD Most High is to be feared, a great King over all the
earth... God is the King of all the earth ...God reigns over the
nations... Ps 47:6,7
And all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing,
but He does according to His will in the host of heaven and among
the inhabitants of earth; and no one can ward off His hand or say to
Him, `What hast Thou done?' Dan 4:35
Cease striving and know that I am God; I will be exalted among
the nations, I will be exalted in the earth. Ps 46:10
A Gospel of Works.
Through the Bible, we know that we are
made righteous only through the blood of Christ
- Not by our works. Through guilt, condemnation, and
accusation, these prophecies seek to mislead us into a gospel of
Scriptures and concepts from the New Testament epistles are
remarkably absent from these prophets' messages. Their message is
law, not grace.
- They would like to have the authority of the Old Testament
prophets (without the accountability to be 100% accurate) and to
put the rest of us back under law.
- They have forsaken the New Testament message of salvation
and righteousness through faith, and turned to a system of law
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be
justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Gal 5:4
These prophecies are
incompatible with the Bible.
They cannot both be true- a choice must be made.
What fellowship has light with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14
Make no mistake, though - there is enough truth mixed in with
the error in these prophecies to confuse any person who does not
know their Bible well, and the words are skillfully woven
together. I personally do not encourage any Christian to read
them, the possibility for deception is too great.
Why are we Dissatisfied?
Friends, we need to ask ourselves what we are looking for in new
prophecies that is better than what God has already freely given us?
He has ''granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness''
(2Pet 1:3). The scriptures are all we need to ''be adequate,
equipped for every good work'' (2Tim 3:13-17).
What are we craving beyond the ''precious and magnificent
promises'' He has given us in His word? (2Pet 1:4) Are we not like
the Israelites, bored with the manna God has provided and demanding
he provide for our own cravings for meat?
Could it be that deep down we crave the forbidden things of self.
The enemy of our souls knows the flesh and will try to find ways to
trigger the rebellion into Gods very elect, in a way that Gods
people will not notice, because it will be done in the name of
Jesus, never the less in the name of Jesus or not, we will be lead
asray through vain unbiblical promises, the promise of posessions,
wealth, power, devine health, position (higher higher higher, the
next level, victory around the corner, exitement, shouting,
laughing, miracles, signs, wonders, experiences.
Every religion on Earth can offer you these shallow promises. Go
to "New Age "and you are in for the experience. All these for the
"godly consumers", for self, from one thing into the other, thinking
that we are spiritually growing, not realizing that the good works
we are destined to have will never come to completion.
For this is a rebellious people, false sons, sons who refuse
to listen to the instruction of the LORD; Who say... ''You must not
prophesy to us what is right, speak to us pleasant words, prophesy
illusions. Get out of the way, turn aside from the path, let us hear
no more about the Holy One of Israel.'' Isa 30:9-11
- Is it possible we want new prophecy because we do not want
to accept what the Bible says as the final word?
- Are we tired of being rejected by this world system? (Jn
- Do we want to hear a message of earthly popularity,
prosperity, power, glory, and influence? (Dt 28:13).
- Do we want to hear that the world is going to fall at our
feet and acclaim us rather than ''If you were of the world, the
world would love its own; but because you are not of the world,
but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates
you'' (Jn 15:19) ?
- Do we want to have our ''ears tickled... in accordance to
our own desires''? (2 Tim 4:3-4).
- We say ''we don't want to put God in a box,'' but don't we
really mean that WE don't want to be put in a box by God- that
box being the authority, limitations and final word of the
Beloved we are blessed already
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who
has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly
places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the
foundation of the world... to the praise of the glory of His
grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. In Him we
have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our
trespasses, according to the riches of His grace, which He
lavished upon us.
In Him we are complete ...in Him
you have been made complete. Col 2:10
There is no need to be hungry for other things In Jn 6:35,
''Jesus said to them, 'I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me
shall not hunger.
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